Possible PKC Beagle Programs - The American Beagler Forum (2024)

Possible PKC Beagle Programs

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Postby Redtick » Tue Dec 13, 2005 9:06 am

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Postby Redtick » Thu Dec 15, 2005 9:09 am

Super Stakes Program. To be honest, it has been a while since I competed in that program with my coonhounds, so I am not sure about everything. But, I just bred a female to a Super Stake stud and I plan to make the pups Super Stake eligible, so I will give what information I can. I have asked a PKC official to monitor this thread, I hope he, (or anyone else) will correct any mistakes I may make.
The first step in the progression is the Super Stakes Stud Dog. These dogs are dogs that have won $100 in PKC hunts or born in a PKC registered litter. The stud owner pays a fee, I think the current coonhound fee is $800 yearly, to place his stud in the Super Stake program. A beagle program could use a less of a fee. This will make his pups eligible to compete for a yearly Super Stake competition held when the pups are 1 year old and 2 years old with the winning pups getting the funds generated by the Stud Dogs, and the Super Stake litter registration fees. I am not sure, but I think the coondog Super Stakes winners recieved around $15,000 each for 1 year olds and 2 year olds this year. All pups competing must be DNA profiled and the sire and dam of the pups must be DNA profiled to prove they are out of the correct sire and dam. Plus, a pup has to have $100 winnings in open competition to qualify for the hunt.
All I can say is that with coondog pups, it is very difficult to sell competition coondog pups that are not PKC Super Stakes eligible. Every competition coonhunter seems to want to gamble on raising and training a money winning pup. These pups sell for more money, both a weaning age and as started dogs. This program would sure raise the price of beagles as a whole if enough people joined in.
I personally have mixed feeling for the program. I had a coonhound stud in the program but it didn't raise enough extra income to pay for all of the expenses. But, there are lots and lots of coonhound stud owners that do enter the program every year. If you have a popular stud and are a active competition hunter, this is the way to go. I believe the reason I didn't do better is because I am not an active coonhound competition hunter and I sell a lot of my coonhound puppies to big game hunters who are not interested.
I am currently fairly active in my beagle breeding program and I will consider having a Super Stake stud and selling Super Stake beagle puppies if PKC adopts 1 set of beagle rules I can live with.
I really think that a popular regular PKC beagle program needs to be going strongly before a PKC Beagle Super Stake Program shuold even be considered. So it may be a few years before it could happen. But, how nice would it be to raise a beagle pup that beats Swing's beagle puppy for the $15,000 Super Stakes prize?

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Postby swing » Thu Dec 15, 2005 9:16 am

Why dont you put your money where your mouth is? J Murphy has made you an offer and you refuse it.
You are the main one who is hurting PKC, best thing you could do for PKC is keep quite about it, and let someone with a little more knowledge take over and try to promote it.
I thot Craig Tull was doing good at promoteing it.

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Postby Redtick » Thu Dec 15, 2005 8:14 pm

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Postby JMurphy » Thu Dec 15, 2005 8:53 pm

Redtick:
I have been restraining myself from posting to you but since you cant keep your mouth off of me then I guess I should keep posting.Your idea of putting "your money where your mouth" is is certainly very different from nine.All you are willing to risk is an entry in a World Championship that doesnt even exist.Yeah you are really a sport there huh?You were even afraid to run against an old fat blind dog while risking your capital in a bet.In a post back in Jan of 2003 on Rabbithuntingonline. You said that your beagle breeding was based on a strain that you and your buddy had been developing since 1970.In other places you said that you just started buying females about 5 years ago. Which is it Redtick?Just recently I saw where you posted that there were only two dogs left out of your imaginary strain and it was up to your buddy to keep it going.What kind of breeder does this make you.You'va been breeding these these dogs since 1970 and now there are only two left.None of the others were fit to compete in UKC even though you claim they were "fast run to catch type dogs".Now you cant even get enough takers in the Coondoog competition world for you to meet expenses.That certainly says alot about your studdog.Now I see where you want to talk down Todd Morgan and UKC.I just bet that Todd Morgan would buy a pup off of you.Are you out of your mind? I would have to imagine that Todd is like most of UKC and just laughs at you!
It just never changes with you does it.If you cant do it in the PKC superstakes with coondogs what makes you think you will be able to do it with beagles?Just because you want to be a big man doesnt mean you get to be.It takes more work than that.I hope PKC is successful whether it be one set two sets or 5 sets of rules.As I have stated I will be competing.My bet is you will be on the outside looking in finding something else to whine about.Now I know why they call you Hootie:your posts are a hoot.You are really a joke!
J.Murphy/Murphy's Kennel

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Postby swing » Thu Dec 15, 2005 8:53 pm

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Postby Matt B » Thu Dec 15, 2005 11:53 pm

All this time I thought you guys were joking about a new registry.. PKC is a "real " registry?. I thought it was Pretend Kennel Club. I saw a guy post for a month promoting a PKC hunt on here last year.. Had "sponsors" and everything..I think they got 12 entries..WOW

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Postby Redtick » Fri Dec 16, 2005 8:41 am

If you guys want to talk about me and my dogs, start another thread. I will answer you. Your "facts" are wrong and not true. I think the moderator needs to keep this thread to messages concerning PKC Beagling and not let a couple of guys use the thread to launch personal attacks that are not relevent to the topic. They certainly would not get away with their attacks on most other boards that I post on.
PKC beagling is not where it should be in my opinion. It is not for every beagler, just those who want to compete on a professional level with a set of professional rules. I personally do not believe PKC has a set of profesional rules and I believe that is one of the big reasons why PKC's Beagle Program is failing. It never started out with a single set of rules defining what a PKC beagle is supposed to be.
I believe things like a Futurity and a Super Stake Program would be very attractive to a good number of beaglers who like to raise, train, and compete with beagles. I can see the possibility of being able to win large cash prizes with your good beagles as being very attractive to a good number of folks.

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Postby houndsound » Fri Dec 16, 2005 11:39 am

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Postby JIMMIE ABSHIRE » Fri Dec 16, 2005 11:50 am

PRETEND KENNEL CLUB LMAO THE PFD KENNEL CLUB IS ALSO PRETEND BUT IF IT WERE FOR REAL REDTICK WOULD BE CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD

Old school Northway . Full Throttle no Bottle.

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Postby Redtick » Mon Dec 19, 2005 8:25 am

I will try to give information on a possible PKC National Beagle Championship. In their coonhound program, PKC has a National Championship, I believe this year's winner recieved around $25,000. To qualify, a coonhound had to be a top ten money winner in it's home state. These rankings are decided by money won in open events (in any state) by the dog. I am not real certain how the money is generated, I know it would come from part of the entry fees.
I think PKC would have to probably go with a zone system to begin with and this would be only after there are enough dogs competing and enough hunts to make it feasible.
I know PKC's Bench Shows and Squirrel Dog standing are listed in zone standings, so I would assume the beagle program may adapt a similar format.
In my opinion, a National Championship program would be a goal at this time, I don't believe there are enough dogs participating to make it feasible at this time.

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Postby Redtick » Thu Dec 22, 2005 7:56 am

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Postby Redtick » Sun Dec 25, 2005 9:23 am

PKC has Breeder of the Month and Handler of the Month in it's Nite Hunt Division. Essentually, the Breeder of the Month is the breeder whose pups earned the most money that month. The Handler of the Month is the handler that won the most money that month. PKC then has a special hunt for these handlers to hunt in with a large prize (I think it is a new truck). I think it would be a good while before the beagle program could generate enough money for these programs to work but they could certainly give the top handlers and breeders rewards for their hard work.
In short, there are a lot of programs a popular PKC Beagle program could provide for us beaglers. I do believe there are plenty of beaglers out there that would support these programs, they just need to become aware of the possibilities.